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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-934</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it really does depend on your genre and intended audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it really does depend on your genre and intended audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Scarlet Cox</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scarlet Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem that the linked article has made is confusing sympathetic with likeable.

Creating &lt;em&gt;sympathetic&lt;/em&gt; characters is essentially Creative Writing 101. A reader needs to have a sympathetic connection with a character to care about what happens with him or her. &quot;Sympathy&quot; in this instance is understanding, not pity.

Characters can be entirely unlikeable so long as the reader can understand them and see why they make the choices that they make. As you say, the idiot heroine who is nothing more than a plot device is utterly unsympathetic, because we as readers realise she&#039;s just a fucking idiot, so we don&#039;t care, because we don&#039;t sympathise with her.

Tony Soprano is unlikeable, but he is thoroughly sympathetic. We understand why he does what he does, we empathise with the choices he makes because we can see the life he&#039;s in and how it sometimes forces his hand (or he thinks it does).

You&#039;re completely right to be unconvinced, because it&#039;s erroneous. Write believable characters, but don&#039;t worry about whether they are likeable ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem that the linked article has made is confusing sympathetic with likeable.</p>
<p>Creating <em>sympathetic</em> characters is essentially Creative Writing 101. A reader needs to have a sympathetic connection with a character to care about what happens with him or her. &#8220;Sympathy&#8221; in this instance is understanding, not pity.</p>
<p>Characters can be entirely unlikeable so long as the reader can understand them and see why they make the choices that they make. As you say, the idiot heroine who is nothing more than a plot device is utterly unsympathetic, because we as readers realise she&#8217;s just a fucking idiot, so we don&#8217;t care, because we don&#8217;t sympathise with her.</p>
<p>Tony Soprano is unlikeable, but he is thoroughly sympathetic. We understand why he does what he does, we empathise with the choices he makes because we can see the life he&#8217;s in and how it sometimes forces his hand (or he thinks it does).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re completely right to be unconvinced, because it&#8217;s erroneous. Write believable characters, but don&#8217;t worry about whether they are likeable <img src="/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia Vitsky</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anastasia Vitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, if you like sexy underpants games you would like my friend Celeste Jones&#039; book, Underwear Probation.  (Not DD!)

And yes, there are many layers to DD beyond just the cookies and computer thing.  But I think that is true for anything that is only practiced by a minority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, if you like sexy underpants games you would like my friend Celeste Jones&#8217; book, Underwear Probation.  (Not DD!)</p>
<p>And yes, there are many layers to DD beyond just the cookies and computer thing.  But I think that is true for anything that is only practiced by a minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really am down for both, but if it is for cookies and computers, it STILL better result in some tingles, you know?  Most of my personal rules at home that result in spanking are actually sex-related. I don&#039;t need a &quot;life coach.&quot; I need &quot;sexy underpants games.&quot;

I really oughta do a spanking entry. This has me thinking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really am down for both, but if it is for cookies and computers, it STILL better result in some tingles, you know?  Most of my personal rules at home that result in spanking are actually sex-related. I don&#8217;t need a &#8220;life coach.&#8221; I need &#8220;sexy underpants games.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really oughta do a spanking entry. This has me thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, that all sounds like excellent material for a DD story, to me.  I had no idea that you could get more spanking for &quot;withdrawing.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that all sounds like excellent material for a DD story, to me.  I had no idea that you could get more spanking for &#8220;withdrawing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anastasia Vitsky</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anastasia Vitsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.wellredweekly.com/index.php?issue=11&amp;page=2&amp;type=2&amp;com=404#comments

You may or may not be interested in this article I wrote regarding punishments within DD.  It&#039;s likely you won&#039;t agree, but it&#039;s interesting to see what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.wellredweekly.com/index.php?issue=11&#038;page=2&#038;type=2&#038;com=404#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.wellredweekly.com/index.php?issue=11&#038;page=2&#038;type=2&#038;com=404#comments</a></p>
<p>You may or may not be interested in this article I wrote regarding punishments within DD.  It&#8217;s likely you won&#8217;t agree, but it&#8217;s interesting to see what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: t1klish</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[t1klish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read any, but yeah, I&#039;d need it to be sexy too. I don&#039;t want to read anything where a grown woman is being treated like a child who&#039;s not allowed to determine for herself how many cookies she eats or how much time she spends on the computer. On the other hand, if she&#039;s being punished for infidelity, that I&#039;d read, or if she&#039;s being &quot;punished&quot; for not swallowing well enough during a blowjob. That could be fun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read any, but yeah, I&#8217;d need it to be sexy too. I don&#8217;t want to read anything where a grown woman is being treated like a child who&#8217;s not allowed to determine for herself how many cookies she eats or how much time she spends on the computer. On the other hand, if she&#8217;s being punished for infidelity, that I&#8217;d read, or if she&#8217;s being &#8220;punished&#8221; for not swallowing well enough during a blowjob. That could be fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twitter tells me that she somehow redeems Soren in &lt;em&gt;The Angel.&lt;/em&gt; This will teach me to start 1000 page epics when good stuff is coming out. LOL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter tells me that she somehow redeems Soren in <em>The Angel.</em> This will teach me to start 1000 page epics when good stuff is coming out. LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Lyn</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenny Lyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not me! Scarlet, with all her flaws, was still way more interesting a character.

Using Tiffany&#039;s Nora as an example, in The Angel she introduces us to Suzanne, a reporter bent on finding out the &quot;truth&quot; behind Soren and his church. She&#039;s certain there&#039;s something *bad* going on, given the reputation of the Catholic church in general. She walks the moral high ground. She&#039;s the complete opposite of Nora. But I couldn&#039;t stand her. Could I name a reason why? Not really, other than she was just boring. Give me a twisted, morally corrupt character any day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not me! Scarlet, with all her flaws, was still way more interesting a character.</p>
<p>Using Tiffany&#8217;s Nora as an example, in The Angel she introduces us to Suzanne, a reporter bent on finding out the &#8220;truth&#8221; behind Soren and his church. She&#8217;s certain there&#8217;s something *bad* going on, given the reputation of the Catholic church in general. She walks the moral high ground. She&#8217;s the complete opposite of Nora. But I couldn&#8217;t stand her. Could I name a reason why? Not really, other than she was just boring. Give me a twisted, morally corrupt character any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>https://joandefers.com/2012/10/on-likable-characters/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you!  My stupid hosting company kept killing updates, so it was a little late, but I&#039;m sooo pleased with how it&#039;s turned out.

I think the trick is creating a character that&#039;s sympathetic, instead of merely likable.   However, there does seem to be a cult-of-likability in romance--same with chick lit and women&#039;s memoirs.  Likewise, if we look at Carmella Soprano, Skylar White, or Betty Draper, a portion of the audience is way, WAY more judgmental about them than their husbands, even if their husbands are much more serious &quot;sinners.&quot;

I still like Nora Sutherlin about a million times more than a Sweet Damsel in Distress.  I like Scarlet more than Melanie.

I mean, really, Melanie Wilkes.  Would &lt;em&gt;anyone &lt;/em&gt;really want to read ten years in the life of Melanie Wilkes? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  My stupid hosting company kept killing updates, so it was a little late, but I&#8217;m sooo pleased with how it&#8217;s turned out.</p>
<p>I think the trick is creating a character that&#8217;s sympathetic, instead of merely likable.   However, there does seem to be a cult-of-likability in romance&#8211;same with chick lit and women&#8217;s memoirs.  Likewise, if we look at Carmella Soprano, Skylar White, or Betty Draper, a portion of the audience is way, WAY more judgmental about them than their husbands, even if their husbands are much more serious &#8220;sinners.&#8221;</p>
<p>I still like Nora Sutherlin about a million times more than a Sweet Damsel in Distress.  I like Scarlet more than Melanie.</p>
<p>I mean, really, Melanie Wilkes.  Would <em>anyone </em>really want to read ten years in the life of Melanie Wilkes? </p>
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