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		<title>Agony and Ecstasy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 03:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Warning: This is a long one, and it&#8217;s potentially really offensive. Console yourself with the fact that I write a sex blog full of porn, and therefore, I&#8217;m already condemned to hell. I&#8217;ve been following a series of posts about the violent nature of various deities, and how modern sensibilities sand down the edges on old [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning: <em>This is a long one, and it&#8217;s potentially really offensive. Console yourself with the fact that I write a sex blog full of porn, and therefore, I&#8217;m already condemned to hell.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following a series of posts about the violent nature of various deities, and how modern sensibilities sand down the edges on old stories our culture carries around, until we&#8217;ve worn them down into something we&#8217;re comfortable with.  <a href="http://thehouseofvines.com/2013/03/11/the-inability-to-accept-savage-and-wrathful-gods/#comment-29395">Nicole Danielle</a>, in particular, wrote something that has stuck with me:</p>
<blockquote><p>No body wants to be Job, nobody wants to rip their lovers to pieces, no one wants to be torn to pieces themselves, or cut out their own tongues, or sew their eyes shut, or walk in an abyss. No one wants initiation or trial by fire because one has no control over it. None.</p></blockquote>
<p>And, well, it can&#8217;t be too hard to see why some part of me went, &#8220;<em>No one?</em><em>&#8220;</em></p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s no one, or maybe it&#8217;s just socially unacceptable.</p>
<p>Just don&#8217;t discount madness and masochism as an essential part of the human spirit.</p>
<p>So, Western culture takes Dionysus and turns him into this guy:</p>
<p><a href="/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bacchus_disneyversion.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3486" alt="Fantasia" src="/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/bacchus_disneyversion.jpg" width="576" height="432" /></a></p>
<p>When, really, the myths involve a genderqueer, shape-shifting, <em>foreigner from out there somewhere </em>who went to war in India, had the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orpheus">greatest warrior/poet/lover that ever lived</a> <i>beheaded,</i> and regularly drove <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maenad">women</a> to do things like fuck monsters in the woods and rip off their own children&#8217;s heads.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Bacchae of Euripides gives us the most vital picture of the wonderful circumstance in which, as Plato says in the Ion, the god-intoxicated celebrants draw milk and honey from the streams. They strike rocks with the thyrsus, and water gushes forth. They lower the thyrsus to the earth, and a spring of wine bubbles up. If they want milk, they scratch up the ground with their fingers and draw up the milky fluid. Honey trickles down from the thyrsus made of the wood of the ivy, they gird themselves with snakes and give suck to fawns and wolf cubs as if they were infants at the breast. Fire does not burn them. No weapon of iron can wound them, and the snakes harmlessly lick up the sweat from their heated cheeks. Fierce bulls fall to the ground, victims to numberless, tearing female hands, and sturdy trees are torn up by the roots with their combined efforts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah. That&#8217;s some scary stuff, even by modern standards. That&#8217;s some &#8220;Oh, noes, the ladies with their <em>uncontrolled </em><em>emotions</em> are going to use their primordial black hole vaginas of terror to take us all back, back, back, to infancy, to the dark, to humans as animals, where surely The Great Mother will devour us all&#8221; type of scary stuff.</p>
<p>I suppose there&#8217;s an argument that the West belittles dead Gods and foreign Gods, because we&#8217;re asserting that the &#8220;our&#8221; guy is omnipotent.</p>
<p>Only, the same thing happens to Jehova, particularly in the modern Christian version. He is under attack, poor thing. He is taking the wheel.  He&#8217;s a lovely, attractive, non-threatening white man hanging out under a rainbow, laughing with little children.  He/his son is the perfect, chaste boyfriend for someone who&#8217;s completely terrified of sex. He&#8217;s your best friend, with whom you have a loving relationship. Or, increasingly&#8230; he doesn&#8217;t exist at all&#8211;you ditch the God altogether, and just stick with the little happy light in your heart.</p>
<blockquote><p><sup>4 </sup>Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. <sup>5 </sup>It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. <sup>6 </sup>Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. <sup>7 </sup>It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 13:4-7 (NIV)</p></blockquote>
<p>God is love.</p>
<p>Love is life.</p>
<p>Attaining transcendence, getting at the point of life, is basically boiled down to floating high on a big old wave of unconditional love.</p>
<p>Love as highest purpose. Love as an object of worship. Love as the <em>defining</em> aspect of life.</p>
<p>Romantic and familial love probably tops the list&#8211;these are our milestones: falling in love, the birth of children. Those are supposed to be your biggest moments.  Followed by love of country or an in-group of some sort&#8211;going into soldiering, athletics, healing professions and teaching; lives of &#8220;service.&#8221;  We also collectively admire love of life, particularly if accompanied by, say, the discipline of physical exceptionalism or the poignancy of terminal illness. Or, both at the same time. These are what we define as beautiful and noble love. We tolerate love of money and self, as those at least give the outward appearance of productivity. You can be a masochist, but you better be a figurative one<em> for</em> love&#8211;self sacrifice for your partner, for your children, for the impoverished masses.<em> </em>You can be temporarily insane, but it better be <em>falling in love.</em> You can commit a crime <em>of passion,</em> with some measure of sympathy.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not so keen on those that really define their lives with hate or fear or wrath, even if that&#8217;s a common enough occurrence.</p>
<p>And we are absolutely intolerant and very skeptical of &#8220;transcendence,&#8221; of tapping into bigger than bodily feeling, that happens in unacceptable ways. There&#8217;s a very, very narrow path to getting outside yourself, at least so far as society is concerned. Even within religion&#8211;tongue-speaking, self-flagellation, stigmata, and even <em>fasting</em> are controversial. We&#8217;ve literally made a lot of routes to transcendence illegal&#8211;the drug war being a prime example, and with it, the hoops and hurdles and corporate attachment involved in any sort of festive gathering. We still frown on and/or mock <em>genres of music,</em> for crying out loud&#8211;most recently dubstep, that I&#8217;ve noticed, and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s any coincidence that it came out of the rave scene.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve made <a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/03/bondage_dominance_submission_and_sadomasochism_why_s_m_will_never_go_mainstream.single.html">some methods</a> of bodily tribulation very taboo.</p>
<blockquote><p>Second, S&amp;M, by its nature, hurts people. Mild bondage is no big deal. But for sadomasochists, pain is the whole idea. Some stick to spatulas and wooden spoons, but others move on to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/fashion/bondage-domination-and-kink-sex-communities-step-into-view.html" target="_blank">electric shocks</a>, <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18223075&amp;sid=81" target="_blank">skewers</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMrCJPDpfM" target="_blank">knives</a>, and <a href="http://asubmissivechoice.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/bdsm-alphabet-a-glossary-b/vluu-l100-m100-samsung-l100-m100/" target="_blank">butterfly boards</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>What the hell is a butterfly board?</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t really own our bodies. Society has decided we can&#8217;t be trusted with them.</p>
<p>If you come close to losing control over yours, letting it run amok, society will issue the smackdown.</p>
<p>What it comes down to is that there&#8217;s very little room in our collective Ideal for personal experience where you&#8217;re not fully in control of your facilities, whether you <em>want</em> to lose control and stare down that scary id place or not.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no room for maenads.</p>
<p>The assumption seems to be that any road that might lead to pain needs to be avoided at all costs. You might hurt yourself. You might hurt others.</p>
<p>Love is the avoidance of pain.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t discount madness and masochism as an essential part of the human spirit, though.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s there. It&#8217;s always there.</p>
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		<title>Derp in the Wire</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Him 1:00 pm: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335 Him 1:01 pm: today I&#8217;m going to require something of you. Joan 1:12 pm: as long as it&#8217;s not rick santorum related Him 1:12 pm: ok. scratch that then. nevermind. Him 1:15 pm: I was going to have you masturbate with rick santorum. Joan 1:15 pm: damn Him 1:15 pm: Guess [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:00 pm: <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rick-santorum-tells-audience-smart-people-side-article-1.1161335</a><br />
<strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:01 pm: today I&#8217;m going to require something of you.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span></strong> 1:12 pm: as long as it&#8217;s not rick santorum related</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:12 pm: ok. scratch that then. nevermind.<br />
<strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:15 pm: I was going to have you masturbate with rick santorum.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:15 pm: damn</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:15 pm: Guess that&#8217;s out then, huh?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:15 pm: it would be the female equivalent of pushing rope</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:16 pm: I want you to masturbate with the favored glass dildo. Then, I want you on your knees in my office ready for my cock within 15 minutes of me getting home.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:17 pm: one of the dildos is flavored?<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:17 pm: ew. toxic.<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:17 pm: oh wait<br />
<strong><span style="color: #ff0000;">Joan</span> </strong>1:17 pm: <em>favored</em></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #0000ff;">Him</span> </strong>1:17 pm: &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Sex vs. Romance</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in the last week pondering the porn vs. erotica divide. This is mostly because I spent a lot of time looking at the blogs and websites of erotica authors. And, they&#8217;re all strikingly porn free. Most of them?  Were trying to pass as romance novelists.  They don&#8217;t write porn. [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in the last week pondering the porn vs. erotica divide.</p>
<p>This is mostly because I spent a lot of time looking at the blogs and websites of erotica authors.</p>
<p>And, they&#8217;re all strikingly porn free.</p>
<p>Most of them?  Were trying to pass as romance novelists.  They don&#8217;t write porn.  They write <em>erotic romance.</em></p>
<p>Or, maybe they were just attempting to be safe for work.</p>
<div id="attachment_144" style="width: 540px" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a href="/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tumblr_lspc95aK8o1qkbew5o1_1280.jpg"><img class=" wp-image-144 " title="tumblr_lspc95aK8o1qkbew5o1_1280" src="/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tumblr_lspc95aK8o1qkbew5o1_1280.jpg" alt="" width="530" height="700" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">This isn&#39;t safe for work. But, still--doesn&#39;t qualify as porn, does it?</p></div>
<p>I don&#8217;t really know.</p>
<p>I just know I don&#8217;t have much interest in writing <em>erotic romance.</em>  That&#8217;s what I did with my summer vacation.  I read a ton of &#8220;erotica.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of it?  Is &#8220;romance&#8221; oriented.  That means that you&#8217;ve got two (or three) people (or werewolves, vampires, or aliens) that not only have floridly described Hottest Sex Ever&#8211;they fuck like no one has ever fucked before, because they&#8217;re meant to be.  They&#8217;re soulmates.  It&#8217;s an emotional connection that cannot be denied.  It&#8217;s the twuest of twue love.</p>
<p>This is doubly so if there are BDSM elements, because there&#8217;s that mythical thing where BDSM is made somehow more acceptable by the notion that the two people in the relationship are more &#8220;deeply committed&#8221; to each other via floggings and &#8220;trust&#8221; and, presumably, <em>fucking magic.</em></p>
<p>The story, I am writing right now?</p>
<p>No magic spankings.</p>
<p>Not that all consensual spankings aren&#8217;t a wee magical.  But you know&#8230; these people in my head?  They&#8217;re not meant to be together forever.  They&#8217;re wank bank material.  The teacher in my current story (broke 15k words last night, hello!) is sort of sad.  He&#8217;s no one&#8217;s soulmate.  He is shallow.  He&#8217;s lonely.  And, he&#8217;s depressed.  The student that seduces him?  Is gawky and talks too much.</p>
<p>Because perfect just isn&#8217;t hot to me.  People are just way more interesting when they&#8217;re flawed.  Sex doesn&#8217;t have to happen in the context of a fateful eternal romance.</p>
<p>Erotica is aimed at women.</p>
<p>Now, when you go looking for erotica?  The two recommendations that come up over and over and over?  <em>The Marketplace</em> series and the <em>Sleeping Beauty</em> books by Anne Rice.</p>
<p>And, those aren&#8217;t books about true love.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s weird.  The most successful romance novelist of the last decade is a Mormon that believes in waiting until marriage, writing about dazzling, emotionally abusive stalkers.  And, <em>that</em> is okay.  That&#8217;s okay for freaking teenagers.</p>
<p>But porn for grown women is seemingly taboo in the larger marketplace.</p>
<p>So, really, I don&#8217;t understand this thing.  Is it embarrassment?  If you&#8217;re a woman reading about male werepanther threesomes, should shame come into your game <em>at all?</em></p>
<p>And, seriously, who is buying all the sci-fi m/m/m books?  Blue skin and tails, I tell you.  I think the tails are probably the important part&#8230;</p>
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